tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post7288037145853110926..comments2024-03-28T18:54:13.800-04:00Comments on alien romances: 6 Tricks of Scene Structure - Part 2Rowena Cherryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11839386556697211986noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post-64683588519703059192009-08-02T18:27:42.412-04:002009-08-02T18:27:42.412-04:00I just looked at what I had written that ozambersa...I just looked at what I had written that ozambersand excerpted. <br /><br />Boy I wax loquacious on the teaching blog! <br /><br />Jacqueline Lichtenberg<br />http://www.simegen.com/jlJacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post-88304213500886643542009-08-02T18:23:07.985-04:002009-08-02T18:23:07.985-04:00Ozambersand:
You are hereby dubbed a card carryin...Ozambersand:<br /><br />You are hereby dubbed a card carrying GENIUS.<br /><br />For those looking for the comment excerpted here, it is on the writing exercise blog at <br />http://editingcircle.blogspot.com/2009/03/worldbuilding-trunk-ated.html <br /><br />SFWA.ORG has a new website design. You might want to look it over. <br /><br />Jacqueline Lichtenberg<br />http://twitter.com/jlichtenbergJacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post-85944697762970721822009-08-02T17:35:29.078-04:002009-08-02T17:35:29.078-04:00I finally found it Jacqueline it was in one of the...I finally found it Jacqueline it was in one of the comments you made in response to queries of mine on your "Trunk-ated" blog in <b>Editing Circle </b>.<br /><br />No wonder a blog search in Alien Romances on "Obama" didn't find it! LOL<br /><br />Tuesday, March 3, 2009<br />WorldBuilding - Trunk-ated <br /><br />See the comments section. (I checked the date I created the file and that led me to it.)ozambersandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07171187154978269102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post-54595376305806207642009-07-31T17:56:40.335-04:002009-07-31T17:56:40.335-04:00ozambersand
Oh, gee! That's one of the ones ...ozambersand<br /><br />Oh, gee! That's one of the ones I was looking for. <br /><br />Now if only I knew which post I wrote that in. <br /><br />If someone finds it, let me know.<br /><br />Sharon, did that help?<br /><br />Jacqueline Lichtenberg<br />http://twitter.com/jlichtenbergJacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post-5584185853661428412009-07-31T17:33:42.559-04:002009-07-31T17:33:42.559-04:00Jacqueline
This bit which you wrote (which I copie...Jacqueline<br />This bit which you wrote (which I copied -blush) may help slkpcme<br /><br /><i>STORY<br />STORY is what those events mean to the characters emotionally, spiritually, psychologically, or in life. It's also linked to Because and is the result or cause (motive) behind (BEHIND) Events in the Plot.<br />STORY is the character's personal experience and responses to the things that happen - the psychological and spiritual lessons learned. (The story of a man who falls in love with a thief only to discover the folly of attempting to reform her and decides to learn her craft and join her.)<br />TO SUM UP<br />EVENTS. Events must be displayed in a because-chain to make a plot. PLOT = BECAUSE Because Obama was elected President, Stem Cell Research will be revived, and because of the research Somebody will be cured of paralysis, and then be elected President. PLOT. EVENTS. BECAUSE. <br /><br />STORY is what those events mean to the characters emotionally, spiritually, psychologically, or in life. It's also linked to Because and is the result or cause (motive) behind (BEHIND) Events in the Plot. <br /><br />Because Obama fulfilled his lifelong dream to be President, he has discovered that he doesn't know everything and can't do everything at once. Now, he doesn't know why he can't seem to hire enough of the right people to fully staff his administration. "Oh, why are the people I admire tax cheats?" The Events leading to his discovery of the answer to that question is is STORY. The Events themselves are the PLOT. <br /><br />The BACKGROUND is President and White House and Recession and Bank Crisis and Middle East. Everyone reading the story knows all that. <br /><br />The FOREGROUND is winning election, choosing and hiring people, admiring people, being admired, spending political capital, making risky choices, living with the HUGE consequences.</i><br /><br />I don't think it was in any of the blogs you listed. I usually note date and blog address but didn't this time, sorry.<br />Alison<br /><br />And I second her comments of thanks for all the wisdom you share.ozambersandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07171187154978269102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post-81648433363031124512009-07-31T14:21:23.757-04:002009-07-31T14:21:23.757-04:00Sharon
I tried a quick answer to your plot/story ...Sharon<br /><br />I tried a quick answer to your plot/story question under the first part of this 6 Tricks of Scene Structure discussion.<br /><br />I know I've covered plot and story in great detail in previous posts, but digging them out of this active blog is a chore. <br /><br />That's why we've launched the project to collect them and make them available as an e-book volume, but that will be months from now. <br /><br />Here are some that may pertain <br />http://aliendjinnromances.blogspot.com/2009/03/beauty-and-beast-constructing-hea.html<br /><br />http://aliendjinnromances.blogspot.com/2009/02/dissing-formula-novel.html<br /><br />http://aliendjinnromances.blogspot.com/2009/01/collateral-repairs.html<br /><br />http://aliendjinnromances.blogspot.com/2008/12/tree-in-forest.html<br /><br />And before that there is my series on Tarot and a 5 part series on Astrology, plus all of us here have been discussing Worldbuilding, and theme.<br /><br />In the context of discussing how to use these various tools, plot and story keep coming up because they are the skeleton and the rest is all the flesh. <br /><br />The secret to figuring out all the books on writing is to understand that most writers discover these moving parts of a novel or screenplay by themselves and give them names that make sense in their own minds.<br /><br />I learned from a lot of writers, and from courses and books, and from a lot of very heavy-handed editors. But mostly I learned from READERS. <br /><br />I learned also by teaching in the writer's workshops at Worldcons where 3 pros and 3 beginners analyze the 3 MS's from the beginners. <br /><br />I learned that ALL WORKING WRITERS know the difference between plot and story, but name these parts with different terms.<br /><br />The parts are sort of an absolute in structure analysis. The terminology varies wildly. <br /><br />But if plot or story don't work, or if they aren't differentiated properly by the writer in the MS, then the whole thing just won't sell. (or today it might to an e-book publisher, but it'll be a career disaster requiring a byline change.)<br /><br />The easiest way to follow these blogs is to sign up at http://blogger.com for a blog-owner's account (even if you don't own a blog) and subscribe to the blogs you want to follow.<br /><br />The most recent blog posts appear on the sign-in page for your blogger account.<br /><br />If you have any other questions, please just ask. <br /><br />There are a lot of other easy ways to follow blogs, and if you know of one we haven't installed, please drop a comment asking for it and we'll pursue it. <br /><br />Thank You,<br />Jacqueline Lichtenberg<br />http://www.simegen.com/jl/Jacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post-27683339059398112092009-07-28T22:19:12.690-04:002009-07-28T22:19:12.690-04:00I stumbled on this post on scene writing as a resu...I stumbled on this post on scene writing as a result of Brownian motion at it's finest. I'm glad I did. I just have one question. What is the difference between the story [thread] and the plot [thread]? <br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Sharonslkpcmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04091591874364838544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post-24131837154945746662009-07-28T21:06:29.124-04:002009-07-28T21:06:29.124-04:00Forgot to subscribe to comments! (You don't h...Forgot to subscribe to comments! (You don't have to approve this comment.)Kathleen MacIverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263212018219137277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26974492.post-84171533445346926932009-07-28T20:36:48.308-04:002009-07-28T20:36:48.308-04:00Thank you for this! This really helps me as well....Thank you for this! This really helps me as well...especially the clarity of using emotional ups and downs to identify scene endings and beginnings. Emotion is why I write...the more powerful the emotional response, the better, so this is something I feel I can work with.<br /><br />I mentioned in my second comment on the other post that I'd found a movie where I could identify the scenes. (It's <i>The Scarlet Pimpernel</i> version staring Jane Seymour, Anthony Andrews, and Ian McClellen.) What you've said here helps me identify those even more. <br /><br />I've always loved that movie for a number of reasons, but the intricacies of the plot have always fascinated me. The whole plot hinges on a tiny note that popped out of the fire about fifteen minutes into the story. The heroine finds it and keeps it...and if she hadn't, the hero would have safely continued to rescue the innocent, the villain would never have come so close to catching him, and the romance between the heroine and hero would never have been in trouble.<br /><br />On top of that, it literally does move from one small section of action/emotion to another, the whole way through, and <i>every single section</i> is absolutely crucial to the plot. It's been my dream to write a story with a plot as well done as that one. <br /><br />So when I thought about that, I saw the demonstration of what you said about how scenes are your pacing tool. So this is DEFINITELY something I was looking for! <br /><br />Now to start actually working with it (and discovering what else I don't yet know)...Kathleen MacIverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263212018219137277noreply@blogger.com